Quit Afghanistan?

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by David

Obama in Afghanistan. To address the nation this evening. Another campaign trip. Get out now.

Limbaugh is absolutely right about this: The Dems, like the republicans, are stil in the Viet Nam mode of thought - neither party wants to be hung with the label of losing Afghanistan. The dems will NOT pull out of Viet Nam, er I mean Afghanistan, They will leave it to the republicans. Hello Richard Nixon and his "losing" of Nam back in the day.

See, I have to ask. Do you, David gold, want to pull out of Afghanistan? Or are you just saying that because Obama is president?

[David]

Do you remember during the Iraq War the media would drop everything to denote the death of the 2000th soldier? 3000? 4000 th soldier. They made it into a huge story. This week we lost number 2000 in Afghanistan. Media ignores. Wonder why?

[David]

NY Times

Retiring Envoy to Afghanistan Exhorts U.S. to Heed Its Past
By ALISSA J. RUBIN 11:55 AM ET

Ryan C. Crocker, one of the pre-eminent American diplomats of the past 40 years, is deeply skeptical that Americans on foreign soil can be anything other than strangers in a strange land.

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by David

Do you remember during the Iraq War the media would drop everything to denote the death of the 2000th soldier? 3000? 4000 th soldier. They made it into a huge story. This week we lost number 2000 in Afghanistan. Media ignores. Wonder why?

Well, duh..... a radical leftist DEM is in charge......

The REAL question is this: if we pull out of Afghanistan, does that mean the terrorists will have won?

Just asking......

[David]

Remember the war in Afghanistan? Obama and Romney don’t seem to.

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[Bemused]

Originally Posted by David

Remember the war in Afghanistan? Obama and Romney don’t seem to.

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So should we cut and run?

Much as I have been ragging on Limbaugh lately, I DO recognize as TRUTH something Limbaugh has said on many occasions, to whit NO ONE wants to be saddled with the label as having LOST Afghanistan. Not Obama, not Romney, not the Dems, not the Republicans, despite the fact that MOST Americans are not real happy about the never ending Afghanistan war.

The real question is how many more American soldiers will die, as they did in Iraq and Viet Nam, to satisfy ideological morons in both parties?

[David]

This is so sad. Obama doesn't care. Barely mentions this ridiculous war.

Three more U.S. soldiers killed by Afghans in grim day for NATO

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[schaabdl]

May I make a totally politically incorrect statement - I understand the events both in Colorado and Wisconsin, but when the president orders the flags to half staff, it becomes meaningless and is only about politics. No, we can't have the flag lowered for every service member but surely the commander in chief can acknowledge the troops. Any wonder why most still admire GWB?

[David]

Do they cover that in Pentagon-approved must-read Three Cups Of Tea? Afghanistan is just another in the long roll-call of America’s un-won wars these past six decades – except that it’s taken longer to lose than the others, and in their barbarity the locals demonstrate an almost gleeful contempt for a lavishly endowed enemy with everything except the one thing it needs: strategic purpose. This ought to be a national scandal, but the coverage has dwindled down to nothing but sedating banalities:

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[Bemused]

Time to face the tough questions.

If we cut and run, are we prepared to meet our moral obligations and relocate hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Afghans who committed to us to someplace else, probably mostly to the United States? Or will we abandon them to the Taliban just as we abandoned our Vietnamese allies to the Viet Cong?

I keep wondering about this cry to leave Afghanistan? Is it motivated solely because the hated Obama is president? If Romney wins, will the tune be the same? Especially when the left wing revives their anti Republican war?

[David]

The war in Afghanistan seems more of a replay of Vietnam with every passing week. The latest is acknowledgement that we’re pitifully unsure of who we’ve been turning over authority to — so much so that one commander hit the “pause” button on the rush to train new police recruits.

I’m sure the commander’s troops, and their families, support that move with everything they have. With more than 40 NATO troops killed by Afghan soldiers or security forces — or people dressed like them — this year, he was right to quit pretending that the hidden threat might go away on its own. Yes, deal with it.

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[David]

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump

84% of US troops wounded & 70% of our brave men & women killed in Afghanistan have all come under Obama. Time to get out of there.

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by David

The war in Afghanistan seems more of a replay of Vietnam with every passing week. The latest is acknowledgement that we’re pitifully unsure of who we’ve been turning over authority to — so much so that one commander hit the “pause” button on the rush to train new police recruits.

I’m sure the commander’s troops, and their families, support that move with everything they have. With more than 40 NATO troops killed by Afghan soldiers or security forces — or people dressed like them — this year, he was right to quit pretending that the hidden threat might go away on its own. Yes, deal with it.

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I agree with Limbaugh on this matter. The DEMS do NOT want to be painted with the "lost Afghanistan" label. So Obama will hang in there and then punt to Romney, who will be advised by the republican powers that be to keep the faith because republicans do not want to be painted with the "lost Afghanistan" label.

Meanwhile our military will continue to be mistreated in these never ending wars.

Lesson from history: although the liberal left is blamed for "losing" Viet Nam, it was Nixon who cut and ran. (In the long run Viet Nam did not matter, but that is a different story)

[David]

2000 dead in Afghanistan. Why, we used to call that a Grim Milestone in 2007

[schaabdl]

This was the "right" war according to the left. I admit that I was in favor of our involvement but we don't seem to learn that when we aren't wanted it is time to pull the ground troops; level areas of opposition support; and stop sending funds. We don't need Afghanistan, or for that matter, many of the ME countries. So come home but inflict some damage upon departure.

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by schaabdl

This was the "right" war according to the left. I admit that I was in favor of our involvement but we don't seem to learn that when we aren't wanted it is time to pull the ground troops; level areas of opposition support; and stop sending funds. We don't need Afghanistan, or for that matter, many of the ME countries. So come home but inflict some damage upon departure.

I'm sure there were a fair share of those on the right who felt the same. Afghanistan was, after all, where Al Qeda and Bin Laden were based, and operating with the support of the Taliban.

What should have happened was that we stomped out the baddies, those who caused 9/11 and those who supported them, then left, with the promise that we would be back to do more if they attacked us again.

Now, however, I am haunted by the bigger picture, So I ask, are we (America) prepared to evacuate several hundred thousand people who sided with us? Women who tossed off their burkas? Men who worked for us? Or will we just abandon them to the thugs who will take over and kill them after we are gone? What would we have accomplished then?

[jtdc]

Originally Posted by Bemused

What should have happened was that we stomped out the baddies, those who caused 9/11 and those who supported them, then left, with the promise that we would be back to do more if they attacked us again.

The first part, yes! Some of our leaders who never served in the military failed to learn from Vietnam. If we put our troops at risk, let them fight to win.

As to the second part, that puts us at risk to be attacked again before we can act again. If you felt that stomping the bad guys will end all wars, I recommend you look at World War II. If a nuclear bomb won't do it, kick ass and run isn't the solution.

Originally Posted by Bemused

Now, however, I am haunted by the bigger picture, So I ask, are we (America) prepared to evacuate several hundred thousand people who sided with us? Women who tossed off their burkas? Men who worked for us? Or will we just abandon them to the thugs who will take over and kill them after we are gone? What would we have accomplished then?

That is the right question. If we do something half heartedly, we will do more harm than good.

[David]

Heard Leon Panetta today complaining about Afghan President Karzai. Said, "from time to time Karzai ought tot thank the people of the US for their sacrifice in Afghanistan. Still have 80,000 troops there. For what purpose? It's over for the
US in 2014. We've told the Taliban it's all theirs soon. Training Afghan fighters. Some of whom murder America's best. And, as this article says, "no one cares." Will be interesting to see if this even comes up during the foreign policy debate in ten days. Romney would get a real boost if he said ten years is enough. He won't.

[David]

U.S. troops 'confused' about Afghanistan strategy
Ex-Reagan official: 'If you think your partner may kill you, there's something wrong'

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[Fox]

The Taliban is gaining strength...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid..._weakened.html