Is Mormonism a Cult?

[JohnD]

Originally Posted by David

Pastor Jeffress of First Baptist Dallas made this statement yesterday at a "Values Voter" conference. Endorsed Perry.

Sorry for a group to be a cult it must make it difficult or near impossible to leave the group. LDS doesn't restrict people's comings and goings. We may have serious theological differences. I certainly do. But, it is counter productive to label LDS a cult.

I hold to the same theological beliefs as you do, David. But I disagree with your definition of a cult by extreme examples of a cult... like the Jim Jones cult or the Branch Dividians or the Heaven's Gate cult... all of which ended up in the death of all... Moonies etc. are but the extreme example of cults.

LDS which once distanced itself from Christianity tries to blend in with the Body Christian...

LDS believes in a Jesus that is spirit brother to Lucifer, which was sired by Heavenly Father or Elohim who was once as mortal as you and I and who is now an exalted man (like the LDS males aspire to become). LDS obviously is poltheistic believing in many gods. LDS used to ban Africaners from their priesthood until the god of LDS changed its mind in 1978.

Founder Jospeh Smith jr. claimed to be from the tribe of Ephraim (a tribe that was 1/2 Egyptian or Africaner) thus disqualifying Smith from the priesthood in 1849 let alone the office of founding prophet of anything more than the Palmyra High glee club.

Self defunct founder Smith railed against Christianity in all shapes and forms and set his LDS venture apart from Christianity while reinventing Christian core beliefs and adopting Masonic lodge rites he swore a blood oath to keep secret. Dress it up in white marble with gold spires and robed tabernacle choirs, manure is still manure and a cult is still a cult no matter how much you perfume it.

[bond]

Its not the Theology that's the problem its the competition for Members .

[David]

This is so funny. Media so wants to talk about the Mormon belief system. They know they risk garnering sympathy for Romney is they do a blatant hit piece. So they get all the jabs in while asking is this fair game? Millions of potential voters don't know Romney is a Mormon. Don't know much about the LDS Church. Rest assured the secular left will try to remedy that. So transparent.

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[dcannady]

What is being overlooked by one and all is how plainly this demonstrates the pitfalls of allowing the Constitution to be undermined over the years. The fear of what anyone's religion might influence them to do from the office of the President of the United States comes from the expansion of that office far beyond it's original purpose. They are supposed to manage our mutual interest, not control how we live our lives.

If our elected officials would stick to doing their jobs without carving us up into demographics and bits of statistical data, they could effectively and objectively conduct the people's business without unduly infringing on our individual liberties. If they would remain within the confines imposed by the Constitution, it wouldn't matter whether they were Mormons, atheists or Zoroastrians.

It is collectivism that is the greatest threat to our republic, whether it is the economic collectivism of the lefties or the moralistic collectivism of social conservatives. It's stupidity that produces bad results and needlessly complicates our otherwise wonderful nation. We are spiralling around the drain because of too much government, not a lack of it.

If a Mormon will be honorable and truly execute the Presidential oath of office, he'll be great. Whatever else he is, Obama is destroying our economy and accelerating our social decline with his contempt for the Constitution and disregard for the sovereignty of individuals. We don't exist to serve the ends of politicians and they need to learn that.

[Rifleman]

Originally Posted by dcannady

What is being overlooked by one and all is how plainly this demonstrates the pitfalls of allowing the Constitution to be undermined over the years. The fear of what anyone's religion might influence them to do from the office of the President of the United States comes from the expansion of that office far beyond it's original purpose. They are supposed to manage our mutual interest, not control how we live our lives.

Agree, the biggest problems began with the beginning of the Progressive era. And as we have wintessed, Progressives running the country and making all the decisions, didn't stop or help anything.

If our elected officials would stick to doing their jobs without carving us up into demographics and bits of statistical data, they could effectively and objectively conduct the people's business without unduly infringing on our individual liberties. If they would remain within the confines imposed by the Constitution, it wouldn't matter whether they were Mormons, atheists or Zoroastrians.

Yes, those radical Zoroastrarians are a major problem without Constitutinal restraint...

It is collectivism that is the greatest threat to our republic, whether it is the economic collectivism of the lefties or the moralistic collectivism of social conservatives. It's stupidity that produces bad results and needlessly complicates our otherwise wonderful nation. We are spiralling around the drain because of too much government, not a lack of it.

Who is the aledged moralistic collectivism of social Conservatrives even compare to the economic collectivism of the left? Now It might make sense if you were discussing Dominionism, that is the establishment of a misslabeled fundementalist Christian Church and forced conversion, but a real fundementalist Christian doesn't believe in cumpuslory religion. Similarly, if Roe v. Wade was overturned, abortion would only become illegal in a handful of southern States. So what are you talking about, and why is it such a threat?

If a Mormon will be honorable and truly execute the Presidential oath of office, he'll be great. Whatever else he is, Obama is destroying our economy and accelerating our social decline with his contempt for the Constitution and disregard for the sovereignty of individuals. We don't exist to serve the ends of politicians and they need to learn that.

I believe that most Christians, even those in the Social Conservative "Collective", have decided that Romney is preferable to Obama, even though Mormonism is a cult. Obama's Black Liberation Cult is much worse. However, they may not trust him, which is a healthy thing to do, i.e. NOT trust politicians!

[David]

Fred Thompson ‏

Obama gives lip service to irrelevance of Romney's religion, but sits back & lets media do the work for him

[luknikfan]

Originally Posted by David

Fred Thompson ‏

Obama gives lip service to irrelevance of Romney's religion, but sits back & lets media do the work for him

Isn't that calling the kettle black? When this thread gives way too much relevance to Romney's faith?

Who is the infallibly anointed one to define which Christian church is or is not a cult? Is or is not true?

The Obama campaign will use this but it will be used to exploit "real" Christian voters to not vote out of fear of the LDS church and it's growing prominence/growth within American and worldwide Christianity.

It's a tactic at stirring up fear to be sure. But fear that is there among fundamentalists and evangelicals and especially among these folks in the South where the LDS church is making major inroads.

[David]

Left discovers Sue Emmitt.
I was wondering when she'd be showing up? Had her on the show a couple of times. She is on a life long crusade against the LDS Church. Interesting, he targets are usually the Christian Right. But, here the Daily Beast brings her front and center.

Exclusive: Brigham Young’s Great-Great-Granddaughter on Mormonism and Mitt Romney

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[Bemused]

Originally Posted by David

Left discovers Sue Emmitt.
I was wondering when she'd be showing up? Had her on the show a couple of times. She is on a life long crusade against the LDS Church. Interesting, he targets are usually the Christian Right. But, here the Daily Beast brings her front and center.

Exclusive: Brigham Young’s Great-Great-Granddaughter on Mormonism and Mitt Romney

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As opposed to the fundamentalist and Evangelist bigotry against Mormons?

As someone who remembers the anti Catholic bigotry during the Kennedy campaign I have to laugh at the self righteous right who try to make this a left wing issue.

The fact that this blog site has several anti Mormon bigot threads is indicative. If Romney loses, it will because the fundamentalist and evangelical anti Mormon bigots stay home in droves. Cuz Obama ain't got nothing going for him these days.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Bemused

If Romney loses, it will because the fundamentalist and evangelical anti Mormon bigots stay home in droves. Cuz Obama ain't got nothing going for him these days.

Except the women, it seems.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-speeches.html

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Except the women, it seems.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-speeches.html

It is not only possible, but highly likely that women have a more fair, compassionate, even rational view of the world. She Who Must Be Obeyed continues to teach me that my male perspective requires some amelioration. Most often I agree with Her.

[Rifleman]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Except the women, it seems.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-speeches.html

No,that's only the "stupid females."

Obama’s most-aired campaign ad in the past two weeks features a woman, identified as Jenni, who says “it’s a scary time to be a woman” and Republican challenger Mitt Romney is “just so out of touch” on issues including abortion and health insurance coverage for contraception.

Mandatory insurance coverage just makes it more expensive for everyone, so for strong professional women, THEY pay for so-called "Free Contraception".

Obama’s “Jenni” ad says Romney supports outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest, citing a November 2007 Republican candidates debate in which Romney said that he would welcome a “consensus” that “we don’t want to have abortion in this country at all, period.” ......

“I am pro-life and believe that abortion should be limited to only instances of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother,” Romney wrote in National Review in June 2011.

So the Obama campaign is counting on the support of women, not for their actual convictions on a particular issue, but on believing a blatant lie that misrepresents Romney's statement's on the issues.

So okay, not all women Obama supporters are stupid, many of them are gullible and ignorant.

[luknikfan]

Originally Posted by Bemused

As opposed to the fundamentalist and Evangelist bigotry against Mormons?

As someone who remembers the anti Catholic bigotry during the Kennedy campaign I have to laugh at the self righteous right who try to make this a left wing issue.

The fact that this blog site has several anti Mormon bigot threads is indicative. If Romney loses, it will because the fundamentalist and evangelical anti Mormon bigots stay home in droves. Cuz Obama ain't got nothing going for him these days.

I agree about the widesperad bigotry among fundamentalists in particular - evengelicals seem to be changing their views on the LDS - and it can be seen on this site.

But though Mormons are a step below Catholics in fundamentalist hatred, they are a step above Muslims.

And many suspect Obama is secretly a Muslim. Yet he is ahead today in I think almost every poll that has come out this week.

So it doesn't add up.

If Romney loses it will be because of his blue-blood background, his lack of relatability (not is fault - he just comes off as way stiff) and deep suspicion of the GOP aganda among Joe and Jane six-pack America. Not that Joe and Jane will vote for Obama but, as polls show, many will sit this out. Or at let not vote on the top-of-the-line ballot measure.

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by luknikfan

I agree about the widesperad bigotry among fundamentalists in particular - evengelicals seem to be changing their views on the LDS - and it can be seen on this site.

But though Mormons are a step below Catholics in fundamentalist hatred, they are a step above Muslims.

And many suspect Obama is secretly a Muslim. Yet he is ahead today in I think almost every poll that has come out this week.

So it doesn't add up.

If Romney loses it will be because of his blue-blood background, his lack of relatability (not is fault - he just comes off as way stiff) and deep suspicion of the GOP aganda among Joe and Jane six-pack America. Not that Joe and Jane will vote for Obama but, as polls show, many will sit this out. Or at let not vote on the top-of-the-line ballot measure.

Funny thing is, most of the bigots wont even acknowledge there is bigotry......

[Fai Mao]

Originally Posted by bond

Its not the Theology that's the problem its the competition for Members .

That's not true
It is the theology for the most part.

But here is the defining issue for me:
Do they want to force everyone who is not a member of their group to either join up or be enslaved?

The answer is no when it comes to LDS.

I may, and do think it is a goofy religion. But Mr. Romney is welcome to it as long as he does not force me to join AND allows me to evangelize Morons in a non coercive way

[Daisy]

In my opinion the least we have to be concerned about is Romney's religion. Same conversation in the 1960s with Kennedy. Harry Reid is a Morman nothing is said about him.

[FastEddy]

They are all cults, get over it.

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A woman who works for me came to me this AM and said "you can't ever trust a Mormon."

My instant reply: "How bigoted of you to say so!" ... loud enough for everyone to hear. ... I then added: "So, you mean I should vote for the Muslim?" ... and she said "[expletive deleted]" and almost hit me. Then we both laughed, mostly at each other.

But she did continue to relate a tale of "way back when" her (deceased) husband worked in a Five and Dime and some guy, apparently a Mormon, ripped off the petty cash. Well, there you go ... That settles the hash for all Mormons, now and forever.

I'm also reading in the lefty loosy, tree killer snooze today about how Ryan is a Catholic ... and apparently there is something wrong with that, too.

My point is: every ethnicity, every race, every religion, every "cult" has something bad going for it ... quite often those bad deeds of a very few are made up of tall tales, twisted rumors or just plain mistaken's ... to their possible degradation.

Now, really, there is nothing wrong with Romney's or Ryan's religious choices ... or Obama's or Biden's, either.

But! ... But!, But!, But! There IS something wrong with parties in both parties saying these hasty generalizations based on insufficient evidence. [That's the debater's stumbling block: broad condemnations of whole classes derived from the deeds or speech of a few.]

I won't be seeing that woman for a couple of weeks ... No, I did not fire her, she just left on her paid vacation. Besides, she is about the best employee I have or have ever had. I will, however, remind her when she returns, that she should not talk to the customers that way, 'cause if she does, I may ...

You all know what I'm talking about here, right? Any of you white boys been to Mexico and been called "gringo"?

[BTW: A "Gringo" in Spain is anyone who is not spanish. They must know what they speak of there, the Spanish invented the inquisitions, right? ...]

[Bemused]

Originally Posted by FastEddy

You all know what I'm talking about here, right? Any of you white boys been to Mexico and been called "gringo"?

[BTW: A "Gringo" in Spain is anyone who is not spanish. They must know what they speak of there, the Spanish invented the inquisitions, right? ...]

So you dont subscribe to the theory that the root of the term "gringo" stems from the Yankees marching on Chapultepec singing "Green grow the rushes ho!" ????

[dcannady]

Hablar en griego, en guirigay, en gringo.

[David]

Lots of anti Mormon bigotry coming from "Obama For America" operatives. This follows the media hit on LDS earlier this week. Whispering campaign now a roaring campaign.

Media declares open season on Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/22/me...#ixzz24fqj56Kf