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There is a great deal of dispute as to if we are in a recession. It takes three consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth to constitute a recession. We haven't had that. However, it's clear we are in a downturn. The job loss statement Friday of 80K lost jobs was a wakeup call. Though that's a mild loss by recent recession standards, it's bound to get worse.
Poor policies have, in large part, created this mess. We all know we have had miserable energy policies thrust at us for years. Eco whackos have forced us to ignore our own energy potential. Then we get this ridiculous mandate for corn based ethanol. What do we get? High gas prices. Rising prices for food. The mortgage meltdown on top of the energy and food problems have created a witches brew for the economy. However, it's amazing how fast perceptions have changed. Low unemployment and upward mobility seemed to be everywhere just weeks ago.Things haven't changed that much that fast. Much of this is media driven hysteria. How many of you saw the headline at Drudge from the leftist UK newspaper 'The Independent" last week. With people in line at a soup kitchen the headline read "Depression." Turns out the picture was from 2005. Their only evidence of a "Depression" was the high number of people getting food stamps. I have no doubt we are into a downturn. We've had two of them in the last 25 years. They are cyclical. I also have no doubt in an election year the mainstream media will attempt to create the impression we are in 1929. Gonna be discussing this Sunday on KSFO. Shoppers scrimp as food prices riseSOURCE
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That being the case, we will continue to thank God every night for our blessings. If there is a recession, and it affects our income, we may not be able to buy our ranchette as soon as we'd planned. Boo Hoo...there are people living in dirt floored huts, vulnerable to diseases I and mine don't give a minute's thought to, happy to get one meal a day that provides barely enough nutrition and calories to sustain them in life to the next. Food prices are going up...so I buy pork a bit more often than beef because it's cheaper. I'm not living off of beans or sorghum, with meat being an unhoped for luxury.
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"Pink Slip Nation"
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My answer to answer David's question: we don't eat a lot of pork, but we buy more store brands, fewer pre-packaged fancy foods, and generally fewer splurges on things.
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Regarding how this economy effects our home. I realiz some people want us to live in their "reality" by selling our homes for a loss, move closer to work to save on gas, where it may cost more or move a family a four into an efficiency apartment, not to worry about the school system we move into or how they indoctrinate our kids, and purchase a family sized bicycle with multiple baskets to carry our bags of groceries while driving in lots of traffic. What fun fun fun.
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Food riots are occurring all over Africa and Asia right now (small crops combined with biofuel demand). Power outages and rationing of fuel have been occurring in many countries. The shanghai stock market lost 45% of its value in the last 5 months. The 5th largest mortgage bank in the US just got subsidized by the taxpayer. Consumer debt/income is at the highest numbers ever. American savings rates are negative. The national debt numbers are set to make Bush the '10 Trillion dollar man' by the time he leaves office. OPEC production numbers show flat production the last two years. Many consulting companies and at least 2 major oil companies (ConocoPhillips and Total) are calling for peak oil in the next 3 years. I'm sorry, where is everything OK? We're officially short the dow financials as of Wednesday (SKF) and will be long on commodities (oil & gold) for the forseeable future. Last edited by kestrel : 04-06-2008 at 1:15 AM. |
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Get off your high horse, mister, I don't imagine you're living off rice, beans and sorghum to demonstrate solidarity with all those poor folk living in your "globalized society". You know, if you moved into the cheapest studio apartment you could find, in the poorest neighborhood, sold all your gizmos, gadgets, toys and other excess possessions and restricted yourself to the bare nutritional necessities to maintain breath in your body, you could probably support at least several whole families in Darfur with the money you'd save. So until you do, mind your manner. My whole post was chiding those Americans who are spending their energy whining because they might have to cut back on their luxuries a tiny bit in a slow economy instead of being grateful that our nation is so rich that when times get a little more difficult, they have so many luxuries that it's a choice between what to cut back on rather than a choice between a roof or food to eat. I'd like you to show me where I said "everything was O.K."! Go back and read my post and then I'll accept your apology if you're intellectually honest enough to make one. ![]()
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My post was not a moral critique of our lifestyle. I intended to point out that higher grain prices are going to severely effect the global economy because the economic condition and diets of most people are drastically different and cheaper than those in the western world.
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You can only focus on what the reactions of Americans will be for high food prices. Well, if most American products and wealth originated in America this would make sense. But since it mostly originates in other countries the fact that citizens of other countries can no longer afford to eat will impact our economy. |
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By the way, my concern over such people is based on compassion for their distress not in a selfish concern over how their distress will impact our economy! ![]()
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Some folks are definitely having problems. Real Eastate may not be the best place to be at the moment.
BTW, a lot of this is regional. No doubt things are worst on both coasts than they are in fly over country. Here in Texas unemployment is at a record LOW. SF Chronicle http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg.../RENBVULBH.DTL Number of real estate agents starts to shrink
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We voted for Democrats in 2006 because we wanted change and we got it.
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Prices going up, I'll discipline myself to drive across town to the less convenient but much less expensive grocery store. I've been gradually inserting more and more Asian, Southeast Asian and Indian meals into our week, which is already helping lower the grocery bill, though I am doing it more for our health and weight than because of cost. These cuisines use a much larger proportion of vegetables, legumes and grains to meat than the usual Western diet, which is both healthier and less expensive. Tonight though, we're doing the All American beef and potatoes dinner...Tri Tip on the grill, mashed potatoes, grilled mixed veggies & I think I'll make a French onion soup for a starter with that good stock I made and froze a couple of weeks ago. ![]()
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14 years or so ago I was living near Alabany NY, and some state legislator-type was bemoaning the high-cost of breakfast cereals.
You know, there are other things to eat besides breakfast cereal, and if you must have cereal, there are plently of less-expensive "generic" brands. |
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Some generics are no different than the brand names. Some miss the mark. Gotta experiment.
Wal Mart Super Centers are a godsend. The libs throughout California have fought them tooth and nail. Now is the time they will be sorely missed.
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You can teach me lots of lessons You can bring me lots of gold But you just can't live in Texas If you don't have lots of soul Doug Sahm |
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BTW, regardless of politics, this will be a great thread in which to share money saving tips. Product reviews, etc.
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You can teach me lots of lessons You can bring me lots of gold But you just can't live in Texas If you don't have lots of soul Doug Sahm |
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"this will be a great thread in which to share money saving tips. Product reviews, etc."
We buy generic food brands for the most part, when we eat process foods at all. When it comes to food, I started to bring my lunch to work, to watch my portions, my snacking and other habits, and over the past five months I have lost 20 lbs. |
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The piper.
It is so rough, Hillary, who is sensitive and feels our pain, should share some of her 109 million dollars with deserving poor people who can’t afford their mortgage… she should tell her campaign manager to give back the money she stole from the people. If that doesn’t happen, does anyone think liberals will finally shut up about “greedy” conservative couples who make less than $100,000 (combined) a year? |
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NY Times
SOURCE We switched from "Tide HE" to "Gain HE." Many more generics. I love the day old bakery goods. One thing we haven't done is hoard rice. NY Times Recession Diet Just One Way to Tighten BeltSOURCE
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You can teach me lots of lessons You can bring me lots of gold But you just can't live in Texas If you don't have lots of soul Doug Sahm |