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BUngaro
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject: How Could He? |
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By Sidney Blumenthal
Defiant of rising political blowback on Iraq, United States President George W. Bush blasts his truth-telling critics as traitors to the cause.
AP
United States President George W. Bush: "These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will."
One year ago, after his reelection, President Bush brashly asserted, "I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. It is my style." Twelve months later, Republicans were thrashed in elections for the governorships of Virginia and New Jersey. In St. Paul, Minn., the Democratic mayor who endorsed Bush for reelection a year ago was defeated by another Democrat by a margin of 70 to 30 percent. Then Republicans in Congress split into rancorous factions and failed to pass Bush's budget. That was followed by the Senate's rejection of Bush's torture and detainee policy and by overwhelming passage of a resolution stipulating that the president must submit a strategy on withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. The turn in public opinion against Bush has been slowly considered and is therefore also firm. Now a majority believes his administration manipulated prewar intelligence to lead the country into the Iraq war, and nearly two-thirds disapprove of how he has handled the war. His political capital appears spent with more than three years left in his term. He has retreated from the ruins of his grandiose agenda into a defense of his past.
In the immediate aftermath of the fall of Baghdad, Bush was the man of action who never looked back, openly dismissive of history. When asked shortly afterward by Bob Woodward how he would be judged on Iraq, Bush replied, "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead." But his obsessive interest in the subject is not posthumous. The Senate's decision last week to launch an investigation into the administration's role in prewar disinformation, after the Democrats forced the issue in a rare secret session, has provoked a furious presidential reaction.
On Veterans' Day, Nov. 11, Bush addressed troops at an Army base: "It is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." He charged that "some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people," even though they knew "a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs." In fact, the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction was not authorized to look into that question, but only whether the intelligence community was correct in its analysis. Moreover, the Senate Intelligence Committee under Republican leadership connived with the White House to prevent a promised investigation into the administration's involvement in prewar intelligence. Its revival by Democrats is precisely the proximate cause that has triggered Bush's paroxysm of revenge.
Several days later, Bush spoke before troops at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska, where he stated that "some Democrats who voted to authorize the use of force are now rewriting the past," and are "sending mixed signals to our troops and the enemy." U.S. soldiers "deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send them into war continue to stand behind them," Bush admonished. His essential thrust was that as "a ruthless enemy determined to destroy our way of life" besieges us from without, the most insidious undermining comes from within. Thus an American president updated the "stab in the back" theory first articulated in February 1919 by Gen. Erich Ludendorff, who stated that "the political leadership disarmed the unconquered army and delivered over Germany to the destructive will of the enemy."
The former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, a member of the Defense Policy Board, always notable for his visions, has compared George W. Bush in his travails to Abraham Lincoln before Gettysburg. Gingrich, who has recently written a series of counterfactual novels depicting a Southern triumph in the Civil War, communicated his latest flight of fancy to a longtime former diplomat who has served under Republican and Democratic administrations alike. The diplomat, who asked to remain anonymous, recounted their conversation to me. "We are at war," insisted Gingrich. "With whom?" the diplomat asked. "The Democrats," Gingrich replied without hesitation. For Gingrich, ever the Republican guru, history is a plaything of the partisan present.
In Rome last week, a leading Italian political figure of the center-left told me he was opposed to the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq -- contrary to the public stance of the left coalition. According to his reasoning, Iraq has become a magnet and training center for terrorists, and if the U.S. withdraws the terrorists might come to Europe. I later learned that this was a common analysis of European intelligence agencies as well.
Bush's adoption of the Ludendorff strategy of blaming weak politicians for military failure and exalting "will" sets him at odds with liberal democracy. His understanding of history also clashes with the conservative tradition that acknowledges human fallibility and respects the past. Bush's presidency is an effort to defy history, not only in America, writing on the world as a blank slate. The New Deal can be abolished without consequences, Arab states can be transformed into democracies if only they will it. Now he wants to erase memory of his actual record on the war, substituting a counterfactual history. "Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history," said Lincoln. Never mind.
Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton and the author of "The Clinton Wars," is writing a column for Salon and the Guardian of London.
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gary
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: article |
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Bill, a nice little piece of writing. The style draws you into the article, the grammer is excelent, as an editorial it is superb. As a news piece it is not worth printing. It is all about opinion and not about facts. What facts are there are general and without decisive impact. I do not know if this was presented as a news article or as an editorial or op-ed piece.
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BUngaro
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Gary,
It contains a lot of facts that you folks refuse to acknowledge. |
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Orin
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ungaroism
Fact=anything Ungaro believes, whether true, substantiated, provable, or not. Usually not. _________________ Voodoo Economics with Zeb
"Now, if you're so stupid as to think we didn't have a surplus, you're not going to believe the GAO figures either.... " as he tries and pass off PBGC budget as the national budget. Twice and in Red nonetheless. |
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Orin
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ungaroism
BRAINWASHED=Anyone who fails to aknowledge his "facts". Or anyone who asks for substantiation for one of his "rants".
See also untravelled. _________________ Voodoo Economics with Zeb
"Now, if you're so stupid as to think we didn't have a surplus, you're not going to believe the GAO figures either.... " as he tries and pass off PBGC budget as the national budget. Twice and in Red nonetheless. |
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gary
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: how could he |
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Bill, be so kind as to highlight the real facts and let't talk about them. I am not blind and while my paradyms are there, I am not ignoring any facts. I also see lost of editorializing. So show me the facts
| Quote: | The turn in public opinion against Bush has been slowly considered and is therefore also firm. Now a majority believes his administration manipulated prewar intelligence to lead the country into the Iraq war, and nearly two-thirds disapprove of how he has handled the war. His political capital appears spent with more than three years left in his term. He has retreated from the ruins of his grandiose agenda into a defense of his past.
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While there are some facts here they are spun in a way to make this whole statement something other than fact.
| Quote: | But his obsessive interest in the subject is not posthumous. The Senate's decision last week to launch an investigation into the administration's role in prewar disinformation, after the Democrats forced the issue in a rare secret session, has provoked a furious presidential reaction.
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This one is a pure flight of fancy. Check out the spin words that are being thrown about here. If this had been submitted as a high school journalism assignment it would have earned an F.
| Quote: | Moreover, the Senate Intelligence Committee under Republican leadership connived with the White House to prevent a promised investigation into the administration's involvement in prewar intelligence. Its revival by Democrats is precisely the proximate cause that has triggered Bush's paroxysm of revenge.
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More and more spin and made up stuff.
| Quote: | Thus an American president updated the "stab in the back" theory first articulated in February 1919 by Gen. Erich Ludendorff, who stated that "the political leadership disarmed the unconquered army and delivered over Germany to the destructive will of the enemy."
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Exactly what is that all about. There is no comparison in the two cases. The German army was defeated. Is this guy suggesting that the American army has been defeated in the field?
| Quote: | The former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, a member of the Defense Policy Board, always notable for his visions, has compared George W. Bush in his travails to Abraham Lincoln before Gettysburg. Gingrich, who has recently written a series of counterfactual novels depicting a Southern triumph in the Civil War, communicated his latest flight of fancy to a longtime former diplomat who has served under Republican and Democratic administrations alike. The diplomat, who asked to remain anonymous, recounted their conversation to me. "We are at war," insisted Gingrich. "With whom?" the diplomat asked. "The Democrats," Gingrich replied without hesitation. For Gingrich, ever the Republican guru, history is a plaything of the partisan present.
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First off this guy is suggesting that Newt does not know the difference between fiction and real life. That is just stupid. Besides that I have been reading an old history of Lincoln during the war years and Newt is right on point. The dismissal of this is like when someone asked me what kind of writing I do. The reason that I ignored that was obvious. What I write is in fact fiction. I can assure you that I know when I am working on my art and when I am talking about reallity.
| Quote: | Bush's adoption of the Ludendorff strategy of blaming weak politicians for military failure and exalting "will" sets him at odds with liberal democracy. His understanding of history also clashes with the conservative tradition that acknowledges human fallibility and respects the past. Bush's presidency is an effort to defy history, not only in America, writing on the world as a blank slate. The New Deal can be abolished without consequences, Arab states can be transformed into democracies if only they will it. Now he wants to erase memory of his actual record on the war, substituting a counterfactual history. "Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history," said Lincoln. Never mind.
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None of that makes a lick of sense, and none of it is backed up by any of the fact presented in the article.
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Orin
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Gary, you are whizzing up a rope with Bill. To him, you are another brainwashed victim of the system. He'll tell you the sky is green, and deny any proof you show him, and say you are brainwashed by the blue skiers. _________________ Voodoo Economics with Zeb
"Now, if you're so stupid as to think we didn't have a surplus, you're not going to believe the GAO figures either.... " as he tries and pass off PBGC budget as the national budget. Twice and in Red nonetheless. |
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BUngaro
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Gary,
I read some Pretty Conservative publications. I'll be dipped in do-doo if some of the stuff they write don't come close to the truth.
Between Wall Street and Barrons, Barrons is by far the more conservative and I read it regularly. To me the Bible of Conservatism is the Economist and I read that once or twice, every week.
The reason why I see things different from conservatives is because I am free of any of the two most common fervors amongst conservatives. Thsoe being Nationalistic Fervor and Religious Fervor. When these things drive the reasoning process, the Truths or the Facts have no chance.
Your take on the so called facts is not offensive, although it is probably influenced by one or both of those fervors.
The good General Ludendorf spoke of the Peace treaty of Trianon. That little Jewel was in good part the reason why a lot of people turned their head when Hitler started going crazy. The TREATY of TRIANON was considered by many as totally unfair and unnecessarily brutal. Germany was placed in the grasp of powerty and desperation. When Hitler surfaced, he had an audience. |
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aintnomeaning
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| BUngaro wrote: | | ITo me the Bible of Conservatism is the Economist and I read that once or twice, every week. | What are you smoking?
The Economist is the voice of liberalism* in Britain.
*Real liberalism, not the American term-butchering we are used to. |
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BUngaro
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Aintno,
I can't speek for the Brit's. The Economist represents the Conservative View on Politics and on Economics, as we know them in the USA.
You can get 4 free issues just by going to Economist.com and fill out the order form. I think you would like it. It's expensivo though. |
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aintnomeaning
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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I read it at the library friend.
You do know that The Economist endorsed Kerry in 2004, yes?
In the last one they blamed the French riots on unemployment, not Islam.
Economics-wise they are 'conservative', but they are internationalist on foreign-policy, and leftist on social issues. |
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gary
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: bush |
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Bill your facts about the treaty are correct. What is not there is how this applies to Bush. Simply stated it does not. The writer was using rehoric in order to make points that are unsuportable by real relevent facts. Let's not go down that rabbit trail here.
You are right about one thing though. While I didn't go into details about the root source for our paradyms, I did post a bit about how they effect us here. I would also submit that while your's may not be rooted in the two issues you mentioned, you have them and they work in your mind the same way the do in others.
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BUngaro
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Gary,
It does apply to Bush in a perverse way. He used the negative results of the Trianon Treaty as example to advocate a MILITARY SOLUTION VS DIPLOMACY.
Aintno,
Yes they did endorse Kerry over Bush with a bleeeeeding heart. History has already prooooooved them right. Not that I like Kerry. |
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gary
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: how could he |
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Bill your paradyms have you reaching there big time. But at least you found something to reach for.
There are huge differences between the two situations. More differences than there are similarities. Furthermore singling out this one of all the things from that article is interesting.
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BUngaro
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Gary,
You need to tell that George. He is the one who used it. |
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